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hello everyone and welcome to the show

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I'm Martin Willis your host and we have

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an interesting guests this evening

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first of all Alejandro Rojas will be

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coming up and I get to see him next week

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isn't that awesome he'll be coming up

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with the UFO updates we have Maurice

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Cisneros and she is in Montana and she

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has a great background we're gonna be

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talking about all kinds of things

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related to Montana and possibly some

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will go to some wartime UFOs we're going

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to be talking a little bit about that as

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well I want to give a shout out to a

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past guest been on the show many times

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because if you've been watching TV you

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may have seen him on the news he's been

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all over the place and he's going to be

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on 31 stations next week and that's Ray

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Stanford now we all know ray Stanford

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for the mostly for the Socorro case but

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he's a guy that not only looks up at the

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sky but he also looks down he discovered

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an amazing slab of dinosaur footprints

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right in the NASA Goddard Space Center

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parking lot right by it

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they dug he had it dug out it is the

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most substantial find in the state at

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least there is mammals mixed in with

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dinosaurs 100 million there a hundred

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million year old tracks so he's gonna be

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all over the news he's already been in

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National Geographic I just wanted to do

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a shout out cuz again Ray has been on

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many times and he's a great guy

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alright so again our guest is Murray

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coming right up so is alejandra I want

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to thank everyone that supports the show

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next week we're going to be two hours

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earlier and we're gonna be at the u.s.

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International UFO Congress and I cannot

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wait for the sunny warm weather

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Alejandro how are you I am good I am

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tired just head spinning you know

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getting everything done but lots of

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exciting stuff sorry if I keep this is

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just this is some of the cool stuff so

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here's some of the t-shirts look at this

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one

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Oh for YouTube people you can yeah for

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the YouTube people like sorry but listen

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oh my golly and this is another one this

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is probably my favorite oh yeah

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nice stuff moving around a little bit

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move it over there yeah there you go

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perfect right there

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yeah I like that one so anacs rice will

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have if there's any t-shirts left we'll

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have them up at the store actually many

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of these designs we're gonna put up on

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the store so people will be able to

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check out the store and just a couple

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weeks and you'll be able to maybe even

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probably even sooner and you'll be able

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to see all these designs we were just

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looking at and purchase them for

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yourself so we'll have some that aren't

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labeled 2018 but of course if you're

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cool and you're at the 2018 UFO Congress

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then you'll be able to purchase a

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t-shirt there and commemorate that you

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were there and everybody's gonna be so

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jealous Martin you'll get one oh I hope

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so I'd like to complain just a little

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bit first you know and not about

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anything except I'm complaining about

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winter do you remember last year I tried

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to get out to the UFO Congress and I get

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snowed in and I had showed you like six

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foot snow banks in front of my house

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well we got hit yeah yeah I lived in

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Arizona we got hit again today now the

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problem was we had snow recently it all

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melted then it froze to a skating rink I

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got my tractor snowplow stuck Donny who

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sometimes on the show here the police

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officer came up with his four-wheel

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drive he he was getting stuff we finally

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got that pushed off the side a plow

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truck came in and got stuck and I had

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I'm stuck here but I will get out

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because I have till Saturday to get out

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so I will get out and make sure I make

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you better start as soon as the show's

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over start put on your snow shoes yeah

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your galoshes whatever you do out there

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and just you better start the journey

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yeah I think it's shoveling those if I

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start shoveling tonight I should be done

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before Saturday when I'm leaving but I

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can't wait for that warm sunshine I'm

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really looking forward to it hope you

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really yeah it's been really warm out

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here I mean I heard that yeah I was

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considering turning on my a/c yesterday

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oh it's so warm I'm

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pretty sweet and I heard your last guest

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he's great Brice

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well yeah price is awesome he'll be

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speaking at the conference Hollywood

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superstar so many cool things going on

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he just sent me something today or maybe

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it was on Facebook too where he got a

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letter back from Tom Hanks something

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they were conversing on really cool Wow

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yeah what's his last name again is Abel

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yeah Bryce is able excellent show I

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recommend anyone to check out that show

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on Alejandro soap and my TV great show

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great guy I can't wait to meet him and

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try to talk him and not coming on to my

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show mmm-hmm so what's going on for is

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it all UFO Congress what we're gonna be

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talking about I mean is anything

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happening out there uh not completely I

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mean we I think there's a couple other

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things but I do want to mention one more

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thing for the Congress cuz this is

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really exciting too is that I I did just

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get the Elizondo interview final cut and

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hopefully tonight I'll be putting up a

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little preview but I'm very excited I

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haven't been able to watch the whole

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thing but some of the questions he

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answered were a few that I know that I

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had put forward and some others and they

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are they're tough like you know one of

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them was hey the Washington Post said

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you were tricking him you know you

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tricked the DoD to get those videos out

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how did they really get out and he

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answered that question a lot of other

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you know what was it like working with

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Bigelow a lot of other really

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interesting questions I think people are

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gonna be fascinated by so I'm so excited

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that he answered a lot of these these

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great questions and I know he wishes he

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could have answered more but you know

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that the time constraints and everything

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and he will over time so he says you

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know we'll do a follow-up interview in a

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month or so well I would have loved to

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have asked some questions but I bet some

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of the questions you've asked him are

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similar to what I would have asked I

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wouldn't die and others a lot of other

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people asked some great questions that

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they answered as well and yeah yeah

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that's exciting well it's a it's coming

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right up and maybe is that that's going

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to be that video itself is going to be

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Saturday and by the way if anyone that's

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listening to the show is going to be

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there please look me up I'd love to hang

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out and meet listeners to the show it's

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always a lot of fun yep one other two

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is pretty cool and it is Elizondo

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related is that because I this is the

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important news and UFOs right now you

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know he was on Las Vegas now TV 8 news

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klas with george knapp right and he did

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a couple interviews with the i-team

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there that people can check out they're

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short he only answers a question or two

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but their questions that haven't been

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asked before um that are important

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question so and of course you can expect

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that of George Knapp who's just an

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amazing and one of my favorites and so

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those are really good videos that people

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can check out as well now the one that

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one of the questions I would have asked

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and just asked I mean just answer this

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if you know did anyone ask them about

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historic UFO encounters with military

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craft it's a good question and I know

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the answer because he didn't he hasn't

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they didn't really look into historical

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cases there was the 2004 Nimitz actually

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was early on but it was it was somewhat

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historical but you know that's not that

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long ago but no they were busy looking

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into cases that were coming in that were

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fresh and new and that's what they spent

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their time on well yeah you know in the

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because of the comment you've heard many

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times where people say well it might be

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military craft you know that secret

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military craft and they never go back

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into time and say you know these things

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have been happening for you know many

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many dozens of years there's a great

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point and you know these people feel

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because that's always a possibility and

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even you know like with MUFON when I was

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an investigator working with them you

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know you can't sometimes people are like

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I had to be alien but we don't know we

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don't know what technology we have out

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there but I think what's interesting

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about what what Elizondo and and the a

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tip group did

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is a they knew a bit more about the

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technologies out there similar to what

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Nick Pope says is that they ruled out

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human technology not that they were

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necessarily privy to everything that's

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out there but they felt that they had

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done their due diligence to find out if

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there was anything and they don't

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believe they were lied to and they were

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told these aren't ours by other

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departments but you never know for sure

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Elizondo is very confident that they

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they were not black projects now I I had

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a listener questioned me about the

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Nimitz for instance and I I communicated

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with Robert Powell about this and that

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is a will there be backup data he

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doesn't know himself

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you know radar data will that ever be

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released I don't know if that's ever

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addressed but that would be really

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interesting to actually have radar data

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to cooperate with the video itself yeah

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I mean all we have is their word that

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there was radar data that corroborated

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the case certainly Roberts working hard

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to get as much information as he can he

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still ran into a brick wall with a FOIA

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request where you know he did request

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prior to Elizondo coming out for

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information about Nimitz and they said

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we don't have anything then Elizondo

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came out and and said yeah we did look

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at Nimitz which have something so they

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indicated that they would be opening

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that up and giving him something but now

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they've told him once she once again no

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we don't have anything so he's kind of

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ran into a brick wall on that again but

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yeah those are some of the along the

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lines of some of the questions that were

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asked so that's what's difficult about

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this luckily we have some insight into

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at least his word into the sort of

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investigations in the evidence that they

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had but unfortunately that's all we've

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got we don't have any official documents

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as of yet now I wonder if anything will

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change with FOIA as far as releasing

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everything's been uncovered

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you know maybe they'll loosen up a

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little bit and some more things doesn't

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seem like it I think that's what we were

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all hoping but Robert getting shut down

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like this kind of just shows that nope

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it seems like it's business as usual

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well let's do that yeah yeah well is

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that it for the show for News sure yeah

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I think that's it I took up enough time

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and you know you've got an exciting

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interview with marine yeah excellent

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okay all a hundred well I'll see you

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I'll see you in just a couple of days

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alright see you soon Betty all right all

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right take care

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- all right everyone so our guest is

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Maria Cisneros and she is a Bachelor

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bachelor's degree in medical sciences

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and she was also a document trans

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medical doctor transcriber and she has

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always been interested in interesting

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things we're gonna talk about it in

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ancient artifacts and I were all about

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that I love all that stuff and Astro

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archaeology which I'd never really heard

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it put that way but anyway welcome to

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the show Murray thank you for having me

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on your show

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yes nice to meet you nice to meet you

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digitally yeah yeah so you're you're in

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Michigan but you is that right did you

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say your ass but yes I am but you have

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focused a lot on Montana UFOs yeah so

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how did that happen can you just give us

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your background if you would well

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through the K group of MUFON which is

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the case assistant group I became the

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state director acting state director out

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there in Montana so I've been doing the

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cases out there and trying to build up

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the chapter so that's how I got involved

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with doing when the case is out there

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did you actually live there for no I've

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never been to Montana never been to the

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Big Sky Country oh wow yeah I've had I'm

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sure you've heard of Joan Byrd she was

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on the show at one point I know she did

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some work in Montana but I think it's

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interesting there's been a lot of cases

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really fascinating a course everyone

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thinks of Malstrom in the nooks then

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there's a Mariana the Mariana case which

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is fascinating and so before we get into

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all of that let's first of all what is

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your background and what actually

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sparked your interest in looking into

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the topics you mean the general topics

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or the topic probably since I was about

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10 that probably goes back to the first

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time I ever I ever saw I guess what you

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could call a UFO and my brother and I

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said and watched a star that was doing

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arcs in the sky and then goes down

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towards the horizon you know very

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quickly and I'd seen a couple after that

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another I think when I was about 10 and

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I've seen quite a few uh so I guess in

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my mind I've always tried to you know

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figure out you know what it was some of

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them were quite inexplicable so so I

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always love to hear I always love to

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hear sighting stories how many would you

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say that you've heard you've actually

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seen all together you said about maybe I

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believe four or five the second one that

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was when I was about 10 years old was a

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we were traveling when I think you know

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my mom and we used to work in a

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different town so traveling that night

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over the power plant that used to be in

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the town although it's shut down though

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it was look like a vehicle you know or

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just some sort of a craft up above the

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the power plant and I stood sit there

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and watched it and like I can see

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windows in this thing and it wasn't an

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airplane because it was it was all

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shaved so it happened to be going in the

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same direction as I so I don't know

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about that so I was fascinated by that

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and then when I heard about you know

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back in the early 60s when the Betty and

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Barney Hill you know and they talked

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about their story and they just were

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gonna make a movie out of it oh man I

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gotta see this I was really adamant

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sure when that came out but I've got to

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see what these things look like

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so the ones with the windows that you

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know I've heard so many stories of

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people talking about the ones with the

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windows and I think that's absolutely

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fascinating yeah and you know I know

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someone firsthand they saw a cigar shape

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with it looked like ship portholes I

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mean that is just so bizarre yeah I

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agree

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and you know some people have actually

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said they've seen like shadows or you

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know silhouettes of some type of figures

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you know of course going back to Betty

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and Barney Hill that that story know

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that so as you get older and you started

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look you started doing your work and

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going to school and all that did you

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always have a fascination oh yes yes

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absolutely i I used to read everything

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that I could you know on the subject

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you know Whitley Schreiber's and

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Communion and the books that came out

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and Rae Fowler you know we I think I

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heard him mention before and I was

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fascinated the end interest and affair

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you know anything by Allen Hynek you

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know just always always searching for

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answers to that the questions well I'm a

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late comer myself on and I did I

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actually you know I had a sighting but

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it was all the way back in 2006 so but I

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I had like some sort of small interest

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because we had a flap in a town where I

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grew up in southern Maine when I was

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very young there was a lot of people

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seeing something and a lot of people

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were talking about it and but one thing

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I don't remember you know is I don't

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remember the ridicule factor back then

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you know you hear a lot about that but I

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just in where where I was growing up

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there was no ridicule factor I mean

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mm-hmm

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which obviously changed and it changed

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after I I actually had a first-hand when

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I started talking about my sighting at

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my workplace you know the word got

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around and you know they were teasing me

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that's just the way it goes then so

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let's talk about let's talk about some

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of the cases that you've looked into and

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also the article you wrote for the open

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minds

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TV was also talked about Afghanistan

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Afghanistan's sighting so I want to talk

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a little bit about that at some point

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tonight but let's go let's first of all

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can you tell the listener what you know

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about the Mariana so-called Mariana case

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well I think they first became

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interested in it was probably a movie

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one of the older movies that I had seen

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on YouTube and then I started looking

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into it you know and I have watched the

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film and I watched it again

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earlier today you know also just to kind

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of familiarize myself with it so and I

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think one of the most significant things

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is that if you take the film you know

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itself without the fact that you know he

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was the secretary said that he was a

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promoter so you know Craig from the

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Condon decided to discount you know

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anything that it wasn't anything to it

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because of the fact that he was a

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promoter but I mean if you look at the

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film itself you know it had a lot to it

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going on so yeah and that film for the

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person I don't know if the show producer

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can put that clip up or not right now

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but that film is really basically two

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objects now as far as I remember in

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reading about this he saw these objects

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for quite a while and then went to get

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the video camera out of his car right

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yes that's correct

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yeah he was well he was at the baseball

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field he was the I guess it was a

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general manager you know the Great Great

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Falls minor baseball league so he was

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out on the field that day with his

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secretary so I was lucky that he had a

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camera with him so and he said

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that he saw objects moving about fifty

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feet in diameter they appeared to be

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circular and they rotated while moving

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and thought they were about going about

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four hundred miles an hour so that was

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when he ran back got his movie camera

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and said he got sixteen minutes of film

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although he claims that some of the film

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was not given back to him after that and

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mouse term even figures in that one

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because he was interviewed at maelstrom

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about the instant which I didn't know

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until I was looking into it a little bit

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more Wow no I didn't I didn't know that

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either now he's there's a video

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somewhere online of him being

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interviewed I believe I'm not sure is

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that an actor is that actually him it's

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a black and white that's actually him

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yeah I did watch that most of it earlier

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today and I didn't get to the part

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because it's part of a movie and I

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didn't get to the part where they

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actually interviewed him but I think

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I've seen it before

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also but you know he discusses the whole

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film know some of the things go ahead

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sorry no I'm just saying this is a

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landmark film in a lot of ways yeah yeah

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yeah it was well he it's been said to be

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the first UFO ever caught on film so

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that was 64 years ago and it's a double

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double UFO Yeah right right UFOs yeah

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and the thing that is kind of remarkable

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about it as they stay on a steady stream

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right across right across to the you

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know it's just a we're a familiar with

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the tower the water tower and the clip

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of just the vehicles going by but people

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have enhanced those images of the of the

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craft and they're they are pretty much

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like they're rounded discs almost an egg

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shape if I remember right and so what

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this was this was the first unidentified

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object or something like that is that

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considered by no I said it was I guess I

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they I read that it was one of the first

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ones ever filmed so that was 64 years

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ago so I don't know there was obviously

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not the first one that was ever

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investigated

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I wonder does anyone know what happened

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to the original footage it's at the you

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I know I don't know about the original

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where that is okay it could be the

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original it says that it resides in the

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US National Archives so I don't know if

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that's a copy of that's the actual film

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itself and that's where I had I had

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actually when I think went to the that

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website to to see that and so what

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whatever happened to Mariana himself I

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mean do you know if he did he talked

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about this freely do you know yes he did

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I guess for quite a while he used to

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take the film's and was showing it to

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different groups now I don't know if

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that was something that he you know was

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getting money for or just because it it

532
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interested him but yeah yeah okay and so

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as far as you know the public understood

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this was this big news at the time do

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you know I have no I don't really know

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for certain but I would have to think

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that it would probably have generated

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and quite a bit of interest and the

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people that he showed the film to I

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think that the you know the they were

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actually interested in it was part of

542
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:13,330
part of the book from repelled so I was

543
00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:15,590
looking at my notes here so I can't even

544
00:24:18,669 --> 00:24:17,720
name oh the report on unidentified

545
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:18,679
flying objects

546
00:24:22,030 --> 00:24:20,330
I mean he talked about it and that too

547
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:22,040
and he didn't really know what it was

548
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:24,770
you know and he was he was kind of

549
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:27,290
listed it as an unknown yeah I mean he

550
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:28,490
didn't make any he didn't make any

551
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:29,780
claims himself

552
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:32,809
right yeah and have you yourself

553
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:35,690
actually read the rupaul book I've heard

554
00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:37,880
I haven't read that but everyone tells

555
00:24:45,370 --> 00:24:42,470
me it's like the best book yes several

556
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:45,380
times I read it yeah several times you

557
00:24:49,210 --> 00:24:48,010
know do you agree with that assessment

558
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:49,220
the

559
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:52,890
it was significant yeah I think so yeah

560
00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:56,730
I would agree with that but really what

561
00:25:04,490 --> 00:24:59,480
it was but I don't really know either

562
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:04,500
and do you know what what what the air

563
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:08,100
force was that grunge or do you know

564
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:11,250
what was the nineteen fifty I know it

565
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,340
wasn't Project Blue Book yet how well it

566
00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:16,320
started out as project sign then it was

567
00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:19,590
project grunge before it was what did I

568
00:25:25,450 --> 00:25:21,990
say I don't know what I said branch or

569
00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:25,460
was it grudge yes grudge excuse me yes

570
00:25:30,910 --> 00:25:28,230
it was because it was basically kind of

571
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:30,920
like it was a whole debunking you know

572
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:39,120
project instead of you know so some of

573
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:41,250
the things that I found or the the

574
00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:43,710
Marianna film study and this was some of

575
00:25:50,770 --> 00:25:47,190
the older investigation they said it was

576
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,780
shot around 11:30 a.m. and I was

577
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:53,760
Mountain Standard Time and the wind was

578
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:56,580
25 to 35 or twenty-eight miles an hour

579
00:26:01,670 --> 00:25:59,880
and then it reached 37 miles an hour at

580
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:01,680
around 12:30 p.m.

581
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:04,500
so my objects moved almost directly

582
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:06,330
against the wind direction so they were

583
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:08,850
not balloons so in the studies of the

584
00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:11,420
film frame by frame under magnification

585
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:13,830
showed the motion of the objects to be

586
00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:15,930
steady and horizontal so they were not

587
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:19,830
free-falling so they they rolled out

588
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:21,960
they were that they were not Birds or

589
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:23,910
meters or any known conventional

590
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:26,250
aircraft or other known natural

591
00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:29,700
phenomena and with the shape the

592
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:31,560
brightness the speed the flight path

593
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:33,990
steady motion and the distance between

594
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,140
the two objects ruled out atmospheric

595
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:39,960
and anomalies such as a mirage or a

596
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:43,530
cloud reflection so the question of the

597
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:45,630
airplane reflection was also route out

598
00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:48,110
ruled out so that's some of the earlier

599
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:50,520
you know investigation that they did on

600
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:52,710
the film so and it's still considered

601
00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:54,750
one of the best films that shows the

602
00:26:59,380 --> 00:26:57,630
existence of unidentified flying objects

603
00:27:03,139 --> 00:26:59,390
you know sixty-four years down the road

604
00:27:05,869 --> 00:27:03,149
right right and I had no idea that he

605
00:27:07,249 --> 00:27:05,879
this for spending a little extra time on

606
00:27:09,859 --> 00:27:07,259
this because I think it's an important

607
00:27:13,249 --> 00:27:09,869
case mm-hmm and I had no idea that he

608
00:27:15,979 --> 00:27:13,259
filmed it for so long so apparently the

609
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,989
thing was basically moving back and

610
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:17,940
forth or do you know what type of motion

611
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:21,330
it was doing well from the film I just

612
00:27:25,219 --> 00:27:23,159
shows it going in one direction but

613
00:27:27,979 --> 00:27:25,229
whether or not it was it might have been

614
00:27:31,459 --> 00:27:27,989
zigzagging you know when he was watching

615
00:27:33,889 --> 00:27:31,469
it I really don't I really didn't see

616
00:27:36,919 --> 00:27:33,899
that in the are no in the narrative that

617
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:36,929
I had I did see and some notes that I

618
00:27:41,329 --> 00:27:38,070
was reading about it that I actually

619
00:27:44,469 --> 00:27:41,339
stopped and hovered they both stopped in

620
00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:44,479
sequence you know perfectly in line yeah

621
00:27:54,979 --> 00:27:48,589
yeah yeah that's possible

622
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:54,989
pretty amazing yes I agree yeah so hang

623
00:27:59,389 --> 00:27:57,539
on I was just trying to get I was trying

624
00:28:04,539 --> 00:27:59,399
to get that up on video that producers

625
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:04,549
been trying out on up on video and so I

626
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:07,830
this is it's just been basically a

627
00:28:13,249 --> 00:28:11,460
closed case right now what about the you

628
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:13,259
said it was a part of a report the

629
00:28:17,899 --> 00:28:16,320
Condon report yeah well they

630
00:28:21,469 --> 00:28:17,909
investigated and the two investigators

631
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:21,479
that that studied at dr. Roy Clark and

632
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:25,080
David Sanders they didn't even agree

633
00:28:29,479 --> 00:28:27,539
Craig wasn't convinced that it had merit

634
00:28:31,249 --> 00:28:29,489
and that was basically because of what

635
00:28:33,229 --> 00:28:31,259
the secretary had told him saying that

636
00:28:35,329 --> 00:28:33,239
he was a you know a promoter in other

637
00:28:39,379 --> 00:28:35,339
words because it was a promoter that

638
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,389
that should you know for some reason you

639
00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:41,820
know throw the case out and then

640
00:28:45,139 --> 00:28:44,070
Saunders said that he was convinced so

641
00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:45,149
that there was something to the whole

642
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:48,299
UFO thing so and it was also

643
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:51,330
investigated by dr. William Hartmann and

644
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:54,419
he was an astronomer and he also worked

645
00:28:58,969 --> 00:28:56,700
for the kind of project and he felt the

646
00:29:00,979 --> 00:28:58,979
reflection didn't represent airplanes

647
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,989
although some you know they tried to say

648
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:02,940
that it was the airplanes but that there

649
00:29:11,209 --> 00:29:07,679
were two jets in the air around the same

650
00:29:13,969 --> 00:29:11,219
time but it was after they had seen the

651
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:13,979
UFOs Oh

652
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:17,100
so they is just part of a chase

653
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:19,650
was it I mean clear your horse would

654
00:29:23,390 --> 00:29:21,720
definitely know that I mean yeah it

655
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:23,400
could have been that's possible and I

656
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:24,840
thought of that same thing it's like

657
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:27,480
were they were they after them yeah I

658
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,340
mean there are so many cases where that

659
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:32,100
does happen where there's a chaser very

660
00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:35,250
true yes you know I would say I don't

661
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:37,230
know how many I've heard but it seems

662
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,179
like a huge amount of them there's a

663
00:29:44,659 --> 00:29:41,520
chase and that's that's always something

664
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,669
that surprised me is that someone

665
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:46,320
retires from the military maybe it

666
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:48,030
remains classified they can never talk

667
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:50,010
about it but I'm just surprised more

668
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:52,470
people haven't you know come forward and

669
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,630
say hey look you know I chased this down

670
00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:57,240
you know there are just a few you know

671
00:30:01,299 --> 00:29:59,490
there's some there's some you know in

672
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:01,309
different countries but you don't hear

673
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:04,710
American pilots really claiming that too

674
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:09,059
much mm-hmm all right so I do have a go

675
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,500
ahead yeah a few things to talk about

676
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,240
that because that was part of the

677
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:14,220
archive that I was working on and I did

678
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:17,100
take note of a few cases here where they

679
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:20,130
were reporting that a lot of times f-16s

680
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:23,640
were were dispatched to go after these

681
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:27,960
things so so yeah can you elaborate a

682
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,970
little bit more on that or well yeah I

683
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:34,320
for about two years

684
00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:38,130
I worked on finding through using

685
00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:41,400
keywords and checking the CMS database

686
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:42,750
which is part of you know the

687
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:46,650
information on MUFON so I from I think

688
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:49,980
1995 until I got to 2008

689
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,500
I found a hundred and fifty seven

690
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:55,440
hundred and seventy-five cases where

691
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,240
either the military chased a UFO or that

692
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:02,340
they were seen on the bases or near the

693
00:31:08,779 --> 00:31:06,720
bases or a retired military was making a

694
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:08,789
report of something that they had seen

695
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:10,770
which because they're trained you know

696
00:31:15,159 --> 00:31:12,900
observers and especially if they're in

697
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:15,169
the you know around aircraft they know

698
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:17,850
that it's not something that they're

699
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:21,630
familiar with so and I had a couple of

700
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:25,350
them here a few cases that I I wrote

701
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,830
down I don't know if you want case

702
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:30,840
numbers or not but

703
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:34,350
in 1957 at Fort Riley Kansas witness saw

704
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,330
five lights and and triangular shape

705
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,840
over the base and then in 1959 in

706
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,580
Wisconsin a hovering craft with a beam

707
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:43,320
of light was reportedly chased by the

708
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:47,820
military so in 1953 at Castle Rock

709
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:49,650
Colorado witnesses saw an oval-shaped

710
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:51,900
object with a red light and a squadron

711
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:55,530
was dispatched to search for it so I've

712
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,060
got a couple more here - I don't know if

713
00:32:01,790 --> 00:31:59,700
you want to hear about it but fascinated

714
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:01,800
myself because up until this point you

715
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:03,690
know you don't really hear that you know

716
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:05,370
around here oh yeah they don't pay any

717
00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:06,570
attention to them I think well

718
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:10,920
apparently they do so in 1953 is started

719
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:12,510
and and I don't know how to pronounce

720
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:15,540
this squeeze squeeze Island that's

721
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,360
Air Force Base in a roost where I have

722
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:20,940
no idea where this is so it tracked a

723
00:32:26,420 --> 00:32:23,070
UFO and the fighters on radar

724
00:32:28,550 --> 00:32:26,430
so in 1962 on ronson Island California

725
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:28,560
there was a report of a UFO salvage

726
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,310
attempt while on a radar ship so in 1968

727
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:34,260
Boston Massachusetts there was a report

728
00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:36,150
of a blimp shape lighted object with a

729
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:38,280
possible MIB involvement and the witness

730
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:41,460
had 80s clearance so and those are just

731
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,010
yeah just a few of them I know there's

732
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:46,200
quite a few more that had to do with the

733
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:48,750
fact that f-16s were dispatched to chase

734
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:50,670
after them and these were in there

735
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:53,430
witness you know by a lot of a lot of

736
00:33:00,530 --> 00:32:56,880
people a lot of times right right yeah I

737
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:00,540
have a friend and Canada that he's in

738
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:02,520
the I'm in the antiques and fine arts

739
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:06,120
business that's and he and I did a big

740
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:08,130
appraisal in Atlanta of number of years

741
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:12,290
ago together so he found my UFO show no

742
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:15,690
but he all because he had an interest in

743
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:18,480
UFOs which I didn't you know know about

744
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:21,810
of course but basically he was at a

745
00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:25,890
party I think 10 years ago or more now

746
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:28,950
and they were at a party outside in a

747
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:31,350
deck and they saw this he said it was a

748
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:34,710
perfect shape disc silver disc just

749
00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:39,320
flying and it had to whatever the Canada

750
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:42,180
Jets are he said with her afterburners

751
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:43,170
trying to catch up to it

752
00:33:46,130 --> 00:33:44,730
yeah and

753
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:46,140
they all looked at it he said everyone

754
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,700
looked at it and everyone watched it and

755
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:49,740
they went holy cow you know and all that

756
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:52,290
stuff and he says but nobody talked

757
00:33:56,539 --> 00:33:53,730
about it afterwards which i think is

758
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:56,549
very strong yeah he said he looked in

759
00:33:59,289 --> 00:33:57,690
the paper and he said he couldn't

760
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:59,299
believe in the paper you look for days

761
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:02,340
it was not one single mention of it and

762
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:05,250
I'm just kind of typical you know yeah

763
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:09,929
that more questions is all it is hmm

764
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:12,510
yeah that's for sure in about in about

765
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,490
25-30 minutes we're gonna we're gonna

766
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:16,440
also take calls if anyone wants to call

767
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:19,530
in and that number will be up on the

768
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:21,990
screen when we decide to do that and I

769
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:24,210
decided not to announce the calls

770
00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:26,429
because this show plays on the dark

771
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:28,109
matter digital network on Thursday

772
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:30,119
nights and when I announce the phone

773
00:34:33,139 --> 00:34:31,830
number there's a lot of people that

774
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,149
listen over there

775
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,950
so and I now it's the phone number

776
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:36,359
people start calling me every thirst

777
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:39,570
every 300 and it's on till midnight I

778
00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:44,520
get calls late so so a little shout out

779
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:46,350
to the Dark Matter digital network for

780
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:48,450
all those listeners over there thank you

781
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:51,600
for listening so let's let's talk a

782
00:34:59,090 --> 00:34:56,040
little bit about some of the other cases

783
00:35:01,540 --> 00:34:59,100
that you've looked into some that you

784
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:01,550
find really interesting in Montana ah

785
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,430
well yeah these are bends the pretty

786
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:08,520
interesting cases do you want to hear

787
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:10,830
about the one that was recent or the one

788
00:35:16,460 --> 00:35:14,460
from Afghanistan that was on the we can

789
00:35:18,830 --> 00:35:16,470
talk about that yeah why don't we talk

790
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:18,840
about that and we can go back to Montana

791
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:21,930
after that okay well yeah I learned

792
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:24,450
about it because the the witness was

793
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:30,210
from Montana so this is I got my case

794
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:31,590
notes here sorry I don't want to be

795
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:36,300
flippant your papers here but yeah just

796
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:37,619
to let the people know they're listening

797
00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:40,500
also listening live I will be also

798
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:42,990
taking chat questions from you so if

799
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,900
you'd like to pose chat questions you

800
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:48,359
can in a little bit I'll announce that a

801
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:55,700
well I did a case well actually I did

802
00:35:58,820 --> 00:35:57,210
find this case I didn't do this case

803
00:36:01,970 --> 00:35:58,830
myself but when I was looking through

804
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:01,980
some of the just kind of get an idea of

805
00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:04,980
what the cases in Montana that was when

806
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:07,860
I first took over as the state director

807
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,240
out there and it was listed as a CEO

808
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:15,060
which is a close encounter and that was

809
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:18,330
from Afghanistan so and this happened in

810
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:23,520
me May 10th 2004 an entire army special

811
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:26,310
forces unit saw an unknown spherical

812
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:27,810
shaped object through their night-vision

813
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:31,290
goggles while on security duty in Kabul

814
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:32,810
Afghanistan

815
00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:36,270
so this Montana residents stated that

816
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:39,120
while on detail in Kabul he an entire

817
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:41,550
army you know like said there were 15

818
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,700
men that witnessed this so and he wasn't

819
00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:46,440
really sure of the date but he felt it

820
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,540
was around May 10th

821
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:50,820
he said the craft was huge it was so

822
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,410
close they could have thrown a rock at

823
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:55,440
it and hit it and it seemed to come out

824
00:36:58,850 --> 00:36:57,330
of nowhere and it floated over one of

825
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:58,860
the mountains from the south which was

826
00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:01,020
east of the base that they had built it

827
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,270
made no noise and he said the bizarre

828
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,800
thing was that he couldn't see it with

829
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,180
his naked eye but they could see it

830
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:08,220
through his nice night-vision goggles

831
00:37:13,850 --> 00:37:12,030
which I kind of wondered did he have the

832
00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:13,860
goggles or did they all have the goggles

833
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:15,870
so it's not something like I really know

834
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:18,570
too much about that was a question that

835
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:21,330
I had about the case so he described the

836
00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:22,980
object as having the appearance of a

837
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:24,840
light bulb but it was a sphere and it

838
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:26,130
was about the size of the moon in

839
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:28,890
comparison said it had a translucent

840
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,110
appearance but with a glowing and it lit

841
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:34,680
up the surrounding area and when they

842
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:37,470
saw it they all stopped looking at it in

843
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:40,200
amazement and awe so as they watched it

844
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:42,270
and it hovered around five hundred a

845
00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:45,510
hundred feet in the air and most slowly

846
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,470
from five to 10 miles per hour

847
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:50,940
so was about 100 yards

848
00:37:54,590 --> 00:37:53,010
yeah real slow is about a hundred yards

849
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,600
from the outside perimeter of the base

850
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,440
camp so they stood there and watch that

851
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:00,720
and there how many witnesses about were

852
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:05,400
involved 15 plus him it looks like so is

853
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:07,070
his

854
00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:09,720
that was whoever was out on the detail

855
00:38:17,330 --> 00:38:13,350
there was a security detail so he got on

856
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:17,340
the radio and talked to his commander

857
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:19,890
and he just told him get back to work it

858
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:23,040
was nothing so I know later on in

859
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:24,990
reading the the story was that the

860
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:27,420
commander saw it also from a camp there

861
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:33,930
the base Wow and was there now how did

862
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:35,930
you get this information yourself oh

863
00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:39,630
this is on this is on the CMS the data

864
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,150
base so it's case five five seven four

865
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:45,060
one and it's listed as a historical same

866
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:49,890
historical case former military so and

867
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:52,650
do you know if the military ever did any

868
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:54,450
investigating or was this just I mean

869
00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:56,910
they have their hands full at wartime so

870
00:39:02,600 --> 00:38:59,480
they're called yeah I don't think so I

871
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:02,610
he was told not just not to talk about

872
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:06,330
it basically it was just you know it was

873
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:11,210
just ignored and so Wow well interesting

874
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:16,590
the one the ones that always fascinate

875
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,650
me are the I know we're having some

876
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:21,780
buffering problems and I apologize to

877
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:24,690
the to the live listener and I don't

878
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:27,630
know where that's coming from or why it

879
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:29,780
could be the snow storm here and

880
00:39:37,210 --> 00:39:34,500
hopefully we won't lose you yeah hope

881
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:37,220
not yeah

882
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:45,230
so as far as other cases involving nukes

883
00:39:50,570 --> 00:39:48,930
the Malstrom one how much investigating

884
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:50,580
did you do into that I mean there's been

885
00:39:57,740 --> 00:39:54,300
a lot of work done on that you mean the

886
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,750
one from 1974 the one where Robert Salas

887
00:40:05,020 --> 00:40:01,440
was involved was that oh yeah in 1967

888
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:05,030
yeah I did look into that one too and I

889
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:07,890
thought it was pretty interesting I did

890
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:11,640
take a couple of notes because I think

891
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:13,290
that when people say well there was

892
00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:16,260
nothing found out about you know the

893
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,790
reason that they went down I would

894
00:40:24,370 --> 00:40:21,890
have to think that well there was

895
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:24,380
specific reasons as to why they couldn't

896
00:40:29,820 --> 00:40:28,120
have just went down for you know a

897
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:29,830
malfunction

898
00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:33,470
so I mean well just a little bit about

899
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,420
that from what I understand well first

900
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:38,000
of all do you happen to know how many

901
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:43,220
nukes actually were went down I think

902
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:45,350
the first time I think it was two and

903
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:47,600
then the second time and it was just

904
00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:50,570
like a few weeks later with Salas and it

905
00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:52,700
was 10 yeah I knew there was a lot of

906
00:40:59,770 --> 00:40:55,190
them yeah just to be clear about that

907
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,780
for anyone that is anyone that doesn't

908
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:01,760
know about this situation

909
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:05,300
there was a read I think it was a read

910
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:09,920
UFO basically that hovered over over the

911
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:12,920
missile one of the missiles and someone

912
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:14,690
was outside and spotted they called down

913
00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:19,910
to Robert Salas and he was down I don't

914
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:24,740
know like 75 feet down in at the base

915
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:28,160
there and so this person was panicking

916
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:31,130
and all of a sudden all these nukes

917
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:36,170
actually went out and skeptics will say

918
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:39,320
oh it had to do with electrical or had

919
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:40,910
to do with air conditioning I think I've

920
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:44,510
heard that before but really they are

921
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:47,390
all independent of one another there's

922
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:50,660
no connections and there's no there was

923
00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:53,570
never any logical explanation how this

924
00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:56,420
happened unless unless I'm missing

925
00:42:04,300 --> 00:41:59,810
something is that right right right

926
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,310
yes I agree with you well yeah the one

927
00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:07,760
happened on March 16th in 1967 and that

928
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:09,020
was they said they were camping out in

929
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:11,030
the two missile silos because they were

930
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:12,470
doing maintenance and they were also of

931
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:14,810
course had the security there and so

932
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:18,650
they see the UFOs over the over the the

933
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:21,470
missile sites and at the same time that

934
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,760
was when they all went down and they

935
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:26,000
went into a no go no go situation so

936
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:28,490
they went off alert and then it was just

937
00:42:33,309 --> 00:42:32,030
two weeks after that was when Robert

938
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:33,319
Salas said that he

939
00:42:40,989 --> 00:42:38,690
told by two of the men that that the UFO

940
00:42:43,229 --> 00:42:40,999
was right at the front you know what you

941
00:42:45,819 --> 00:42:43,239
were just saying it was the red glowing

942
00:42:47,499 --> 00:42:45,829
UFO was right outside the gate and

943
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:47,509
they're like asking him Oh what should

944
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,630
we do well and I think that at one time

945
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:52,880
and I don't know if if if this was the

946
00:42:57,189 --> 00:42:55,190
time or the time before they said well

947
00:43:00,969 --> 00:42:57,199
shoot at it you know and I don't think

948
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,979
they did but I don't think I would

949
00:43:05,469 --> 00:43:03,440
either I think that would be about the

950
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:05,479
last thing I would ever think that's

951
00:43:14,699 --> 00:43:08,569
what I was thinking too and I was

952
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:14,709
listening to the colonel salars or Salas

953
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:18,650
report on that and it was on the video

954
00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:21,680
and he said that he was talking to the

955
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:23,959
the other I think it was the other

956
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:26,209
colonel and they said two of the guards

957
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:28,329
that were out there that saw these UFOs

958
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:31,130
never went back on guard duty after that

959
00:43:37,449 --> 00:43:33,890
they couldn't they were so scared

960
00:43:41,979 --> 00:43:37,459
I think Wow that's the thing I remember

961
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:41,989
about I remember Robert when he was on

962
00:43:46,229 --> 00:43:43,819
the show he's been on a couple times but

963
00:43:50,499 --> 00:43:46,239
I do remember him saying that they're

964
00:43:52,029 --> 00:43:50,509
petrified of this situation and I

965
00:43:55,329 --> 00:43:52,039
understand that especially when

966
00:43:57,219 --> 00:43:55,339
something happens and and it's happened

967
00:43:58,989 --> 00:43:57,229
multiple times I don't know if I

968
00:44:02,529 --> 00:43:58,999
actually knew that it happened multiple

969
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:02,539
times there and you also said 1974 and

970
00:44:07,299 --> 00:44:03,890
in the 70s as well

971
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:07,309
well that's 72 and I'm thinking yeah the

972
00:44:13,059 --> 00:44:10,640
case that that I was going you know to

973
00:44:16,569 --> 00:44:13,069
talk about what happened in 1972 and

974
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:16,579
that was the case that I just I just

975
00:44:21,009 --> 00:44:19,160
finished up about a month ago and what I

976
00:44:23,979 --> 00:44:21,019
didn't realize when I did the case was

977
00:44:26,499 --> 00:44:23,989
he had actually reported it also in 2011

978
00:44:27,939 --> 00:44:26,509
and it was it didn't happen didn't

979
00:44:30,999 --> 00:44:27,949
really have to do with missiles that I

980
00:44:34,449 --> 00:44:31,009
know of it but he was in a security he

981
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:34,459
was part of the security police and was

982
00:44:43,809 --> 00:44:39,890
stationed at Malstrom and so he had said

983
00:44:45,789 --> 00:44:43,819
that he had seen a very large UFO and

984
00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:45,799
that was just very close to the base and

985
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,079
that doesn't know

986
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:48,880
I mean heading the dude with the base

987
00:44:55,380 --> 00:44:51,880
itself but um he was you know stationed

988
00:44:59,819 --> 00:44:55,390
there so I thought it was you know it

989
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,829
was kind of a significant case yeah and

990
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:02,319
what was the follow-up from that do you

991
00:45:08,699 --> 00:45:06,400
know I listen it as an unknown I I

992
00:45:10,289 --> 00:45:08,709
thought he was uh you know he spoke very

993
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:10,299
well he was credible when I talked to

994
00:45:14,099 --> 00:45:12,249
him on the phone you know other than

995
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:14,109
there wasn't really a lot of you know

996
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:16,450
there wasn't any physical evidence you

997
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:18,130
know no photographs or videos or

998
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:22,630
anything like that and I know when I and

999
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:24,729
I talked to him and he stated that it

1000
00:45:26,999 --> 00:45:26,559
had pipe like projections sticking out

1001
00:45:30,809 --> 00:45:27,009
of it

1002
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:30,819
it was stationary except returning as if

1003
00:45:35,789 --> 00:45:32,680
it was revolving so I was like well that

1004
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:35,799
kind of rules out a regular airplane you

1005
00:45:39,269 --> 00:45:37,930
know with wings and you know it's got a

1006
00:45:41,459 --> 00:45:39,279
tail but it doesn't that projection

1007
00:45:43,289 --> 00:45:41,469
sticking out of it so you know I didn't

1008
00:45:46,170 --> 00:45:43,299
think that you know was anything like a

1009
00:45:49,769 --> 00:45:46,180
bolide or meteors or fireballs or you

1010
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:49,779
know weather anomalies so you know and

1011
00:45:54,269 --> 00:45:51,369
he didn't remember the name of the other

1012
00:45:56,999 --> 00:45:54,279
witnesses so really couldn't do you know

1013
00:45:59,729 --> 00:45:57,009
a lot you know about that and like I

1014
00:46:02,910 --> 00:45:59,739
said this was also investigated in 2011

1015
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:02,920
and they said the same thing you know

1016
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:06,910
and it was an unknown so and this was

1017
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,079
very near the the military installation

1018
00:46:15,959 --> 00:46:13,839
so at Malstrom and i'm thinking that he

1019
00:46:17,939 --> 00:46:15,969
might even been you know on a security

1020
00:46:22,019 --> 00:46:17,949
detail for the missile silos but i

1021
00:46:25,019 --> 00:46:22,029
didn't i didn't ask him at the time now

1022
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:25,029
i've had Robert Hastings on you know in

1023
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:27,609
the past and you know I've have I've

1024
00:46:33,959 --> 00:46:32,049
asked him know what do you think is what

1025
00:46:36,029 --> 00:46:33,969
do you think is going on here you know I

1026
00:46:38,009 --> 00:46:36,039
mean that's just basically I just

1027
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:38,019
curious to know what he thought because

1028
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:40,569
he's not so much research into it you

1029
00:46:45,509 --> 00:46:43,209
can he said he basically thinks they're

1030
00:46:48,979 --> 00:46:45,519
trying to give us a message you know

1031
00:46:52,769 --> 00:46:48,989
stop playing with these things yeah yeah

1032
00:46:55,289 --> 00:46:52,779
that's uh it's too bad you know they

1033
00:46:57,479 --> 00:46:55,299
were ever invented if you ask me but you

1034
00:47:00,780 --> 00:46:57,489
can't unring the Bell once it's invented

1035
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:00,790
right you know any other cases that turn

1036
00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:04,960
aware of that involves nukes that you've

1037
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:08,860
worked on well the last one and it's an

1038
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:15,700
open case that's case 89 785 and that's

1039
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:18,490
still being investigated I haven't had

1040
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:20,710
any word from Maelstrom you know I did

1041
00:47:25,590 --> 00:47:22,650
make a call you know to get some

1042
00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:25,600
information on that it was reported the

1043
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:27,670
day it happened which was January 24th

1044
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:38,760
relaxer he wasn't a witness he was a

1045
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:41,050
source the witness didn't come forward

1046
00:47:46,290 --> 00:47:42,970
on this one it was estimated to be over

1047
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:46,300
1/2 acre in size but or about half the

1048
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:48,190
size of a football field sighted over a

1049
00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:50,830
missile launch site causing the power to

1050
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:52,840
go out for 10 minutes the person

1051
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:54,700
reporting you know like I said was not

1052
00:48:00,060 --> 00:47:57,640
the witness but he is former law

1053
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,070
enforcement he's not given an

1054
00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:02,800
exaggeration and he felt that the person

1055
00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:04,300
that shared this information with him

1056
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:06,940
was also pretty reliable but because of

1057
00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:08,680
the witnesses stationed at Maelstrom

1058
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:11,950
right now he's declined to come forward

1059
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:15,130
and because he doesn't want it to hurt

1060
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:18,130
his career yeah you wonder if that will

1061
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:22,450
change someday or or if it will you know

1062
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:24,250
and recently you know as I was talking

1063
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:25,530
about with Alejandro

1064
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:29,110
since the Pentagon you know story has

1065
00:48:33,660 --> 00:48:32,110
been released back in December you know

1066
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:33,670
maybe things have changed maybe more

1067
00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:36,190
people will feel a little more at ease

1068
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,580
about talking about if a can you know I

1069
00:48:45,150 --> 00:48:41,680
realized that you know having the

1070
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:45,160
security clearance and you know a lot of

1071
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:46,740
times they just can't talk about things

1072
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:50,380
mm-hmm well if not if nothing else at

1073
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:52,390
least people will realize that there is

1074
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:54,310
something there and there's something

1075
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:56,290
real and tangible that needs to be

1076
00:49:02,340 --> 00:48:58,990
investigated no you know for all of our

1077
00:49:04,890 --> 00:49:02,350
sakes I thought it was interesting that

1078
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:04,900
he said that this person told him that

1079
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:08,290
they meaning the UFOs they show up they

1080
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:10,060
hang out over the launch sites and the

1081
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,490
power goes out you know it says they

1082
00:49:16,789 --> 00:49:14,160
only do unmanned

1083
00:49:19,999 --> 00:49:16,799
since about 20 years ago as they hit a

1084
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,009
manned site and they got shot at which I

1085
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:21,599
thought all that's interesting so they

1086
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:23,930
really did shoot at one of these things

1087
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:26,220
so and they always move them in the

1088
00:49:34,789 --> 00:49:28,170
daytime since at night is when they are

1089
00:49:36,259 --> 00:49:34,799
harassed by them so maybe that's it

1090
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:36,269
maybe they're just you know they're just

1091
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:39,450
harassing them so maybe you will you'll

1092
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:41,609
just mantle all of them and put them all

1093
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:42,410
away

1094
00:49:49,999 --> 00:49:46,500
yeah strange huh strange yeah so just

1095
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:50,009
before we move on what I'm curious

1096
00:49:57,890 --> 00:49:54,200
because if you don't live in Montana

1097
00:50:02,680 --> 00:49:57,900
why are you doing you know MUFON work in

1098
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:02,690
Montana that's part of the the case

1099
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,119
assistant group and it's kind of like

1100
00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:08,579
they rebuild chapter rebuild chapters or

1101
00:50:13,789 --> 00:50:11,309
they do cases that go over the time

1102
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:13,799
limit which is you know three months and

1103
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,950
I had worked on I instead of being I

1104
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:18,960
used to be a field investigator from

1105
00:50:25,249 --> 00:50:20,730
Michigan and then I went to the case

1106
00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:25,259
management and then I started doing

1107
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:27,990
cases that went over like I've done some

1108
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:32,460
in Idaho and Kansas and then they asked

1109
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,460
me if I wanted to try to rebuild the

1110
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:37,680
chapter out in Montana I mean right now

1111
00:50:43,099 --> 00:50:40,470
I'm I'm it there's no field

1112
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:43,109
investigators doing any cases and I'm

1113
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:45,150
trying to build that up and get some

1114
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:47,849
people involved you know with the with

1115
00:50:52,609 --> 00:50:50,339
MUFON out there so it would be great to

1116
00:50:54,019 --> 00:50:52,619
be able to have meetings out there you

1117
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:54,029
know for people that are interested

1118
00:50:58,809 --> 00:50:55,619
because you know it's obviously there

1119
00:51:00,920 --> 00:50:58,819
are still things going on out there so

1120
00:51:03,289 --> 00:51:00,930
and it is a little more difficult

1121
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,299
because I don't live in the state you

1122
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:05,579
know and I don't really get as good a

1123
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:07,980
feel for you know what the area is you

1124
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,250
know other than Google Earth you know

1125
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,200
see what things are about what about

1126
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:14,880
interviewing people do you get a chance

1127
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:17,099
to do that a lot of that oh yeah yeah I

1128
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:21,569
do yeah I give them a call and see

1129
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:23,640
what's up with them and you know what

1130
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,579
happened so I can get a pretty good read

1131
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:27,960
on people and listening

1132
00:51:36,370 --> 00:51:31,619
them so pretty good instinct for that

1133
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,380
sort of thing so the the UFO end in

1134
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:38,880
California Robert Jacob said guess it

1135
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:41,700
was did you ever look into that someone

1136
00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:42,810
wanted to know in the chat if you've

1137
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:44,790
ever looked into that case you know when

1138
00:51:50,839 --> 00:51:48,020
the beam of light came out of the object

1139
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,849
no no I'm not familiar with that one

1140
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:53,040
yeah so yeah I've never I haven't worked

1141
00:52:00,160 --> 00:51:57,210
on any cases out of California yes I

1142
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:00,170
figured so but I thought I'd ask because

1143
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:04,800
there was a dummy it was a dummy nuke on

1144
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,670
that one in particular

1145
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:08,160
Oh went up over Big Sur I think it was

1146
00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:10,650
Oh oh is that the one they had the video

1147
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:13,320
of yeah yeah yeah and the video

1148
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:15,330
mysteriously disappeared and they said

1149
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:18,150
you never saw this which is always have

1150
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:22,500
yeah yeah yeah if you can't find the

1151
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,510
film it didn't exist that's right so I

1152
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,880
am going to take calls if anyone would

1153
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:32,160
like to call in and that number will

1154
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,990
come up on the screen on YouTube so just

1155
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,640
and I do apologize I do see there is

1156
00:52:42,859 --> 00:52:40,380
some buffering going on this evening and

1157
00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:42,869
I do apologize for that

1158
00:52:49,579 --> 00:52:44,520
I can't do anything about the internet

1159
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:49,589
when that happens anyway so the number

1160
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:51,330
should will be up on the screen and

1161
00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:54,200
actually that number has to go up

1162
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:00,450
because hang on just a second it's right

1163
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:04,050
in front of the subscriber button so

1164
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:07,890
it's not going to work where it is okay

1165
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:12,390
so that number has to be moved sorry

1166
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,820
about that

1167
00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:16,020
there's a number there so if anyone

1168
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:18,990
wants to call in I can take that call

1169
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:24,599
and ask our guest today a question if

1170
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:27,030
you'd like to also in the chatroom if

1171
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:29,099
you'd like to pose questions for our

1172
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:33,570
guests feel free to do that now

1173
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:36,750
can you tell us what you found as the

1174
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:39,680
most fascinating case that you worked on

1175
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:41,700
what do you consider one of my

1176
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:46,980
the fast Montana yeah I would say the

1177
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:51,089
one that that I did just recently maybe

1178
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:52,980
just because you know I haven't I've

1179
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,380
maybe did about 15 cases out in Montana

1180
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:57,540
you know so I don't know what percentage

1181
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:00,180
wise of you know there were a couple of

1182
00:54:05,539 --> 00:54:02,130
hoaxes and they were a couple that you

1183
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:05,549
know are natural or man-made you know

1184
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:09,089
objects so I think that the case that I

1185
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:12,089
talked about here you know where he saw

1186
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:15,510
the you know the craft over the base was

1187
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:18,839
probably one of the the most significant

1188
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,950
ones that I've done so far yeah yeah

1189
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:24,720
that's that's a real interesting how

1190
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:27,750
about some other ones have you actually

1191
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:30,410
looked into some historic cases as well

1192
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:36,240
you know going way back probably just

1193
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,190
the ones you know the ones that I

1194
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:40,380
mentioned here a few few minutes ago

1195
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:42,420
that you know those were just basically

1196
00:54:49,789 --> 00:54:45,240
the military ones you know from the

1197
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:49,799
database and other than you know you

1198
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,299
know having a little bit of information

1199
00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:54,000
on that so I haven't done like a lot of

1200
00:55:00,460 --> 00:54:57,540
I haven't done that much work on the

1201
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:00,470
historical cases you know out of Montana

1202
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,270
yeah I think maybe I just was more

1203
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:05,460
interested ones that had to do with the

1204
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,230
military so yeah maybe that's why I have

1205
00:55:16,030 --> 00:55:12,180
I have a couple of choices here with

1206
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:16,040
what is going on with the internet I can

1207
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,450
but it's going to be a problem I can

1208
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:21,359
reset the router it's going to take a

1209
00:55:30,829 --> 00:55:26,250
few minutes the the YouTube video will

1210
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:30,839
go down it may restart again or it may

1211
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,339
be the end of the show but I'm having

1212
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,980
I'm definitely it's going right to read

1213
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:37,920
to nothing we tested everything prior to

1214
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:40,980
the show it was all working fine so you

1215
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:45,180
know I really apologize but I think it's

1216
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,599
probably the smart thing to do to wrap

1217
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,359
this thing up in just a few minutes so

1218
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:54,960
and I do apologize to the listener

1219
00:56:00,500 --> 00:55:58,530
sorry that this has happened let's see

1220
00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:00,510
we do have a question I'll try to get to

1221
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:04,470
that which story is the most Hoke c1

1222
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:09,180
have you come across hoaxes yeah I have

1223
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,670
a couple yeah why don't you go ahead and

1224
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:15,359
talk to the one I think that was I have

1225
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:22,170
a five open cases right now and I think

1226
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:24,690
it was the one where he sent photographs

1227
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:28,800
and he claimed it was showed a

1228
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:31,230
photograph of a very large UFO over the

1229
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:35,250
mountain and he was standing like in a

1230
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:39,570
mountain area but the photograph taken

1231
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,210
he claimed like a minute before was

1232
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:44,400
taken from a car down at the bottom of

1233
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:47,609
the mountain so and then the third photo

1234
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:50,700
was also taken from you know farther

1235
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,950
away I like well you can't get to the

1236
00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:54,780
top of a mountain in you know like one

1237
00:57:00,920 --> 00:56:58,800
minute sew-in you know I checked the the

1238
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:00,930
information on the photograph you know I

1239
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:04,020
put it on photo forensics and I looked

1240
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:07,890
at the timestamp of that photo he told

1241
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:10,500
me that the photos were taking taken one

1242
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:12,630
minute before in one minute after but he

1243
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:15,710
didn't prove it by sending me the actual

1244
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:18,270
photographs so I could timestamp them

1245
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:19,859
because all the information on a

1246
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,440
photograph you know as shown you know

1247
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:24,839
all of the metadata is gonna come up so

1248
00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:26,580
when he didn't send that to me I think

1249
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:31,230
yeah I'm quite sure that's not real Wow

1250
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:35,130
anything else well the one case that I

1251
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:37,530
did from Michigan there wasn't Montana

1252
00:57:45,859 --> 00:57:40,740
was a photograph that someone incentive

1253
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:45,869
just a huge just humongous UFO you know

1254
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:48,660
in the background like over a house and

1255
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:50,010
it was just fascinating

1256
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:51,810
you know like I'm looking at it like I

1257
00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:54,390
know this is fake but I have to prove it

1258
00:58:01,609 --> 00:57:59,880
it's a fake so when the person narrated

1259
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:01,619
you know in his narrative he said that

1260
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:04,609
well my friend said that that's your

1261
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:08,770
your your light fixture

1262
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:11,500
you know with a fan on it I said yep I'm

1263
00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:14,530
quite sure he's right so what I did was

1264
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:16,180
I took photographs I have a porch that

1265
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,450
has a like a chandelier on it so I took

1266
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:21,040
a picture of the reflection of the

1267
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:23,770
chandelier you know on the you know the

1268
00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:26,110
trees outside I think and this is what

1269
00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:28,180
he did he took a picture from the inside

1270
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:30,580
you know and it's just a reflection of

1271
00:58:35,460 --> 00:58:32,830
that chandelier with lights going around

1272
00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:35,470
it so but even that's what it's about

1273
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,750
and you know you you get the you look at

1274
00:58:41,850 --> 00:58:39,520
and like well I'm quite sure that that's

1275
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:41,860
not real been an insolent face but you

1276
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:44,230
have to prove it because sometimes even

1277
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:46,570
just looking at a composite photograph

1278
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:48,970
just isn't gonna isn't gonna give you

1279
00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:52,210
enough information there's a very famous

1280
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:56,140
UFO picture where it shows - a few - UFO

1281
00:59:02,010 --> 00:58:58,300
lights they're pretty much shaped like

1282
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,020
discs but what they actually were is a

1283
00:59:06,570 --> 00:59:04,960
in a train car there the lights hanging

1284
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:06,580
that were reflecting on the lights as

1285
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,110
people were looking out the window and

1286
00:59:13,020 --> 00:59:10,720
taking the picture yeah and so that's a

1287
00:59:14,790 --> 00:59:13,030
real famous picture and so I just saw

1288
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:14,800
this is kind of funny but I was watching

1289
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:19,420
on a recent news story where they were

1290
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:21,550
talking about you know the Pentagon UFO

1291
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:23,350
and all that well UFOs are real and they

1292
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:28,720
flash that picture yeah yeah I did see

1293
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:30,010
that when I know I know which one you're

1294
00:59:34,530 --> 00:59:32,530
talking about and after I did the my

1295
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,540
little experiment with you know the

1296
00:59:38,070 --> 00:59:36,400
lights and in the window I think let's

1297
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:38,080
see this is how you do it you know you

1298
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:39,610
say you're outside and you're not

1299
00:59:44,850 --> 00:59:42,150
outside you're just you know taking a

1300
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:44,860
photograph of a reflection on a very

1301
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:46,330
clean windows because you're not gonna

1302
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:47,680
you're not gonna be able to tell the

1303
00:59:51,540 --> 00:59:49,990
difference so okay we do have we do have

1304
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:51,550
someone calling in we're gonna give it a

1305
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:55,810
try okay okay so caller welcome to the

1306
01:00:04,770 --> 00:59:57,850
show what's your first name and where

1307
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:04,780
are you calling from Orion right how are

1308
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:05,290
ya

1309
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:11,290
hopefully our internet will hang in here

1310
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:14,290
you have a question for our guest I do

1311
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:17,410
um I wanted to ask her actually someone

1312
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:19,330
just asked this and as sort of assets in

1313
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:19,740
the chat

1314
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:22,619
room I wanted to ask his she ever

1315
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:26,700
applauded on the location of a lot of

1316
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:29,610
these sightings relative to the missile

1317
01:00:35,330 --> 01:00:32,850
silos and my info may be dated at this

1318
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:35,340
point post Cold War but I know there

1319
01:00:39,590 --> 01:00:37,950
were some missile silos in Montana and

1320
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:39,600
the Dakotas and I'm just wondering if

1321
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:42,810
she ever plotted the sightings relative

1322
01:00:46,550 --> 01:00:44,790
to those silos as you know the

1323
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:46,560
determined frequency and that's what I

1324
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:50,700
think no I haven't actually done that

1325
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:53,220
but that's very good that you bring that

1326
01:00:58,220 --> 01:00:55,080
up and it would be something to

1327
01:01:02,030 --> 01:00:58,230
definitely look into and another thing

1328
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:02,040
is to maybe that time the season wise

1329
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:04,020
you know of the sightings I noticed that

1330
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,930
several of them were we're in March I

1331
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:08,280
don't know if there's something

1332
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,250
significant about the timeline you know

1333
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:13,740
of them if there's there's more

1334
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:15,750
sightings in one time of the year or

1335
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:18,480
another or if it has to do with maybe

1336
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:22,130
things going on you know politically so

1337
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:25,290
but that is a very good question I may

1338
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:29,609
have to do that Thank You Ryan you've

1339
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:31,290
called in a number of times just a

1340
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:33,210
little bit about yourself are you

1341
01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:35,750
someone that got interested in the topic

1342
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:38,550
because of you having a sighting

1343
01:01:48,050 --> 01:01:40,260
yourself or how did you get interested

1344
01:01:50,180 --> 01:01:48,060
in it a long story um I'm somebody you

1345
01:01:54,109 --> 01:01:50,190
know I'm in my mid-40s and I'm someone

1346
01:01:56,660 --> 01:01:54,119
who grew up watching shows like in

1347
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,670
search of unsolved mysteries stuff like

1348
01:02:01,700 --> 01:01:59,280
that and I guess I became interested in

1349
01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:01,710
the topic that way and you know read

1350
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,630
some of Stanton Friedman's books and so

1351
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:06,180
on and so forth and a lot of UFO stuff

1352
01:02:09,890 --> 01:02:08,250
and you know just gradually got in and

1353
01:02:12,650 --> 01:02:09,900
got interested in and I had a sighting

1354
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:12,660
of my own I have to admit though and as

1355
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:15,060
you know and yeah you didn't warn her

1356
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:16,830
about this that yeah over the years I

1357
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:19,859
have I've have gone a bit to the dark

1358
01:02:26,089 --> 01:02:23,430
side so to speak in terms of become a

1359
01:02:29,269 --> 01:02:26,099
bit of a skeptic on some UFO in

1360
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:29,279
since I've I've become a mage or skeptic

1361
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:32,910
on Roswell as time has gone by but there

1362
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:35,190
have been other incidents that I have no

1363
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:38,130
explanation for so you know I'm I'm not

1364
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:40,380
I'm not I'm neither here nor there but

1365
01:02:45,469 --> 01:02:43,650
that's that's kind of the short version

1366
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:45,479
well that's interesting and you know you

1367
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,970
brought up Roswell so we're just taking

1368
01:02:52,489 --> 01:02:49,200
a little bit of a Jag here if that's

1369
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,499
okay with you Marie mm-hmm on the

1370
01:02:58,039 --> 01:02:54,720
Roswell you know I've had a number of

1371
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:58,049
people on that have you know that have

1372
01:03:01,969 --> 01:03:00,180
brought up questions about Roswell but

1373
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:01,979
you know the one thing that I always

1374
01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:05,369
have to say about that is why would they

1375
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,319
say they captured a disk first of all

1376
01:03:10,999 --> 01:03:09,599
why did they could have said nothing at

1377
01:03:12,769 --> 01:03:11,009
all that's the only thing that's the

1378
01:03:15,249 --> 01:03:12,779
argument I have is why didn't they just

1379
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:15,259
say nothing at all instead of actually

1380
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:17,430
announcing that they found a disk that's

1381
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:20,670
always been my question and what's your

1382
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:24,960
thoughts on that riot uh you know I

1383
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:27,720
think you know I am my time have worked

1384
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:30,690
for some very large organizations not to

1385
01:03:35,180 --> 01:03:33,390
name names um very large corporations

1386
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:35,190
and you know even though I've never

1387
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:37,410
served in the military I can tell you

1388
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:40,650
that in any large company sometimes the

1389
01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:41,849
right hand doesn't know what the left

1390
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:44,819
hand is doing and you know mistakes get

1391
01:03:49,489 --> 01:03:47,819
made I mean you know I mean I'm sure no

1392
01:03:52,459 --> 01:03:49,499
one wanted the Pentagon Papers leaked

1393
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:52,469
but they got leaked anyway so you know

1394
01:03:58,219 --> 01:03:54,930
nothing nothing runs perfectly and I'm

1395
01:03:59,630 --> 01:03:58,229
not sure the guy who ordered how to put

1396
01:04:02,209 --> 01:03:59,640
that out I'm not sure what he was

1397
01:04:04,009 --> 01:04:02,219
thinking he he definitely got the choke

1398
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:04,019
chain yank pretty hard on them

1399
01:04:10,009 --> 01:04:08,339
immediately certainly doing that right

1400
01:04:12,709 --> 01:04:10,019
right yeah I mean yeah you saw that

1401
01:04:14,859 --> 01:04:12,719
happen Ryan so thanks so much for

1402
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:14,869
calling it you have any other questions

1403
01:04:20,529 --> 01:04:16,710
that's what I sure do

1404
01:04:24,579 --> 01:04:20,539
all right well thanks for calling in

1405
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:24,589
yeah okay I can't wait for that

1406
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:28,200
so someone asks in the chat room a

1407
01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:29,910
question and they just wanted to know

1408
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:32,670
what was the scariest case that you

1409
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:39,589
scariest I don't know that I've had any

1410
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:42,990
scary cases I guess maybe if you're

1411
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:45,180
talking about you know somebody being

1412
01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:46,950
over missile silos you know I guess that

1413
01:04:52,609 --> 01:04:49,080
maybe that should scare us if it doesn't

1414
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:52,619
because they are nuclear missiles yeah

1415
01:04:57,950 --> 01:04:55,050
and if the end of someone or something

1416
01:05:01,250 --> 01:04:57,960
is shutting them down when you know we

1417
01:05:04,430 --> 01:05:01,260
were to need them you know like in the

1418
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:04,440
case where they were shut down in 1967

1419
01:05:08,810 --> 01:05:07,230
they were shut they were completely

1420
01:05:11,089 --> 01:05:08,820
inoperable for a whole day

1421
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:11,099
you know I mean if we're using these for

1422
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:13,140
our defense then that does put us at

1423
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,390
risk I thought it was a lot longer than

1424
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:17,520
that and am I thinking about

1425
01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:20,790
when Robert Salas was involved and yeah

1426
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:22,980
it might be I think it was the the

1427
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:24,690
earlier one they said they said that it

1428
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:26,460
took them a day to get them back online

1429
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:27,720
yeah

1430
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:29,730
and I don't know if you're aware of this

1431
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:31,710
but I believe it was Russia or some

1432
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,640
other country where some were nukes were

1433
01:05:38,990 --> 01:05:37,020
actually activated and they were on

1434
01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:39,000
countdown did you ever hear that about

1435
01:05:46,339 --> 01:05:43,080
that yes I did I'm thinking that the

1436
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:46,349
movie with Dan Aykroyd was actually

1437
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:47,910
about that and I didn't realize that

1438
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:50,940
till afterwards of course it turned it

1439
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:52,859
into a farce but I didn't realize that

1440
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,470
that it was based on a real incident

1441
01:05:59,960 --> 01:05:56,940
where they were you know we're almost

1442
01:06:03,800 --> 01:05:59,970
had a war because of you know this going

1443
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:03,810
offline or being almost launched so yeah

1444
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:05,490
that would have been scary to me I think

1445
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,859
that's about I mean that that if

1446
01:06:12,859 --> 01:06:09,960
someone's gonna mess with you I mean

1447
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:12,869
that that that's the ultimate you know

1448
01:06:17,420 --> 01:06:16,020
the ultimate messing with is just your

1449
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:17,430
whole world's gonna be destroyed

1450
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:21,540
yeah very true yeah yeah so we are

1451
01:06:24,740 --> 01:06:23,310
taking call in so if anyone wants to

1452
01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:24,750
call in that number is up on the line

1453
01:06:29,570 --> 01:06:27,510
and I'm seeing the internet bouncing all

1454
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:29,580
over the place but it seems like seems

1455
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:31,410
like it's still hanging again people are

1456
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:32,930
saying they're still able to hear us so

1457
01:06:39,859 --> 01:06:37,290
I apologize to anyone if they're not I

1458
01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:39,869
am seeing some buffering but we can work

1459
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:41,099
with that

1460
01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:45,450
so what besides Montana have you looked

1461
01:06:49,550 --> 01:06:48,990
in two other cases like in Michigan for

1462
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:49,560
instance

1463
01:06:56,660 --> 01:06:52,770
yeah I did cases in Michigan for about

1464
01:06:59,030 --> 01:06:56,670
six years so up until about a year and a

1465
01:07:02,260 --> 01:06:59,040
half ago and do you have any you can

1466
01:07:06,020 --> 01:07:02,270
talk any case you can talk about there

1467
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:06,030
let me see I really haven't had anything

1468
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:09,810
you know like a lot of CES you know any

1469
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:13,410
close encounter type cases that are you

1470
01:07:21,500 --> 01:07:18,830
know outstanding pretty much they were I

1471
01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:21,510
can't say really cut and dried but I

1472
01:07:27,290 --> 01:07:23,670
mean cuz I've done some that were you

1473
01:07:30,050 --> 01:07:27,300
know unknown you know millet we actually

1474
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:30,060
have a military base to speak it back to

1475
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:33,780
the military its Selfridge base is down

1476
01:07:37,790 --> 01:07:35,850
there by Detroit I think one of the

1477
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:37,800
cases that I thought was pretty

1478
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:42,300
interesting was that and I think that

1479
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:44,190
was a historical case and I think that I

1480
01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:47,150
would had been reading about it where he

1481
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:51,270
the kid the base itself was shut down at

1482
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:53,220
the time that there was uh because I

1483
01:07:59,420 --> 01:07:56,370
guess there's a it's not a lake or very

1484
01:08:01,460 --> 01:07:59,430
close to the lake there in the witness

1485
01:08:04,790 --> 01:08:01,470
and about six or seven other people

1486
01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:04,800
including a retired colonel that was

1487
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:07,470
from the base where in a boat and just

1488
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:09,690
there was multiple multiple witnesses to

1489
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:12,140
the huge craft being over the lake and

1490
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:15,030
they put the whole base on shut down

1491
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:17,970
you know nobody had her out so and I

1492
01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:19,049
thought that was a pretty interesting

1493
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:27,780
case yeah so I mean it happens yeah yep

1494
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:31,380
and you're mad are you there you're

1495
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:32,850
actually near the Great Lakes or one of

1496
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:34,049
the Great Lakes I know you said you got

1497
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:37,500
lake lake effect snow no I'm very close

1498
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:38,970
to the lake you know as the crow flies

1499
01:08:45,579 --> 01:08:41,640
about five hundred feet oh my goodness

1500
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,589
so there are there's a lot of talk about

1501
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,319
UFOs over the Great Lakes

1502
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:51,600
yes and have you ever looked into any of

1503
01:08:59,750 --> 01:08:57,480
those not the ones I've actually looked

1504
01:09:00,710 --> 01:08:59,760
at a little bit I live in Muskegon I

1505
01:09:03,050 --> 01:09:00,720
don't know if I should tell anybody

1506
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:03,060
where I live but I live in Muskegon

1507
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,680
Michigan which is very close to the lake

1508
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:07,920
and we back in the early I'm thinking

1509
01:09:15,490 --> 01:09:13,500
it's the early 90s 96 there was a large

1510
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:15,500
amount of activity of UFO activity

1511
01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:18,540
within the area and a lot of them were

1512
01:09:22,910 --> 01:09:20,819
over the lake you know a lot of them

1513
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:22,920
were seen over the lake I one of the

1514
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:25,859
times that I did see you UFO I think was

1515
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:30,420
in 96 97 and the strange thing about it

1516
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:32,370
is sometimes when you do see something

1517
01:09:39,860 --> 01:09:35,190
that doesn't fit into your worldview you

1518
01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:39,870
have a tendency to make it normal you

1519
01:09:44,140 --> 01:09:42,510
know you don't really want it to be

1520
01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:44,150
something that you don't recognize

1521
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,670
because I remember of watching one with

1522
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:49,859
my sister one night and you know we see

1523
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:51,870
these lights was probably about nine

1524
01:09:56,750 --> 01:09:54,870
o'clock at night and we see this lighted

1525
01:09:58,700 --> 01:09:56,760
object at night and it was silent

1526
01:10:01,120 --> 01:09:58,710
completely silent moving really slowly

1527
01:10:04,730 --> 01:10:01,130
and we're looking at it and like

1528
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:04,740
thinking yeah that's a plane you knowing

1529
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:07,500
full well that's not a boy you just want

1530
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:10,770
it to be a plane yeah you're mean you

1531
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,570
know one thing your mind is always

1532
01:10:19,010 --> 01:10:15,840
trying to adjust to what something is

1533
01:10:21,650 --> 01:10:19,020
you know your mind always trying to make

1534
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:21,660
any answer and I think that's you know

1535
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:23,580
when I had my sighting I just remembered

1536
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:27,690
like what I just like you know what is

1537
01:10:33,260 --> 01:10:30,570
that yeah you know and it was just

1538
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,270
outside of what I was supposed to see

1539
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:36,000
and I've mentioned this a number of

1540
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:38,610
times on the show but the thing that

1541
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:40,530
freaked me out the most about it is that

1542
01:10:44,780 --> 01:10:41,640
it was moving and there was absolutely

1543
01:10:46,970 --> 01:10:44,790
no sound and I had never heard anyone

1544
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:46,980
ever talk about that before and now I

1545
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:49,530
hear it all the time of course yeah it's

1546
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:51,480
very true and when you you hear other

1547
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:53,190
people talking about it and it's you

1548
01:10:59,060 --> 01:10:56,010
know living the same experience you know

1549
01:11:02,690 --> 01:10:59,070
it does become you know more significant

1550
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:02,700
but I think when you talking about

1551
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:05,100
significant cases it probably has to be

1552
01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:07,140
you know with myself and it tends to be

1553
01:11:11,180 --> 01:11:08,670
more personal is because it is something

1554
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:11,190
you know a case that I did experience

1555
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:13,710
you know I've had my own sightings and I

1556
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:16,190
think the the one that I had and there

1557
01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:20,000
early 90s were it was during the daytime

1558
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:23,660
then seen a very large craft it was

1559
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:26,420
probably it had to have been well one

1560
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:27,890
and a half times the size of the moon

1561
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:30,410
moving through the clouds you know it

1562
01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:32,810
was just three lights you know amber and

1563
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:35,030
green and red and it just you could tell

1564
01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:36,800
it was revolving because it come out of

1565
01:11:43,390 --> 01:11:39,140
the cloud and then it went back in and I

1566
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:43,400
see this and it's like what is that you

1567
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,210
know and I just you know not paralyzed

1568
01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:50,000
with fear but I was afraid so and I went

1569
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:51,590
down you know I got my daughter was

1570
01:11:56,939 --> 01:11:55,040
outside playing come in the house why I

1571
01:11:59,320 --> 01:11:56,949
don't know why just come in the house

1572
01:12:02,050 --> 01:11:59,330
but then you know you try to rationalize

1573
01:12:05,650 --> 01:12:02,060
it you know and what it was that you saw

1574
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:05,660
so at the time we used to have these

1575
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:08,090
laser light shows where they would beam

1576
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,770
these you know show off from these

1577
01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:14,480
buildings you know downtown during this

1578
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:17,719
festival so I thought well maybe it was

1579
01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:20,360
the laser show you know and I thought

1580
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:23,150
well no when you beam lasers off you

1581
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:24,530
know into the clouds they kind of tend

1582
01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:27,260
to disappear you know because lasers

1583
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:29,630
will keep on going you know to infinity

1584
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:32,270
there's no cloud cover so it couldn't

1585
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:34,730
have been the lasers yeah

1586
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:36,800
yeah that's that sounds like a really

1587
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:39,710
good one actually so nah I think you

1588
01:12:42,970 --> 01:12:41,090
know I'm just we're getting buffering

1589
01:12:45,130 --> 01:12:42,980
and you know internet just keeps going

1590
01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:45,140
in and out let's uh I'm just wanting

1591
01:12:48,850 --> 01:12:47,540
answer one more question here the

1592
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:48,860
company I don't know if you could talk

1593
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:50,719
about this either but the company Cygnus

1594
01:12:55,660 --> 01:12:53,570
research they wanted to know what kind

1595
01:12:57,220 --> 01:12:55,670
of artifacts do they actually work on

1596
01:12:59,979 --> 01:12:57,230
having that little side Jack can you

1597
01:13:02,380 --> 01:12:59,989
talk about that or not oh well Cygnus

1598
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:02,390
research is my own company so yeah I can

1599
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:04,130
you know I mean I can talk about it it's

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01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,580
kind of like in the just I do it

1601
01:13:12,430 --> 01:13:09,440
basically just privately and it's saying

1602
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:12,440
my own research but because some of the

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01:13:18,189 --> 01:13:15,590
things that besides UFOs that I have

1604
01:13:21,729 --> 01:13:18,199
researched for years and years and years

1605
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:21,739
you know tend to be some of the you know

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01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:26,150
artifacts that maybe you know are part

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:28,280
of our part of our culture and part of

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01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:30,010
our you know

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01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:32,050
lady that we all are interested in you

1610
01:13:37,890 --> 01:13:35,680
know our katha covenant you know things

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01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,900
like that so that was one of the things

1612
01:13:43,050 --> 01:13:40,480
that I was interested in doing research

1613
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:43,060
of course mine isn't going out you know

1614
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:45,190
an archaeological site which I wish I

1615
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:47,440
could but it's mostly just you know

1616
01:13:55,890 --> 01:13:49,210
doing the secondary research to see what

1617
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:55,900
is actually out there and my own you

1618
01:14:01,470 --> 01:13:58,960
know theory is that a lot of the

1619
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:01,480
artifacts such as the Ark of the

1620
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:07,300
Covenant or the Holy Grail are all one

1621
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:11,860
object and there possibly was maybe some

1622
01:14:17,820 --> 01:14:15,040
sort of a weapon you know or something

1623
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:17,830
and the main thing is that I think they

1624
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:19,690
really existed I think some of those

1625
01:14:24,570 --> 01:14:21,970
artifacts really did exist they might

1626
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,580
not have existed as what we you know

1627
01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:26,800
have come down to us and stories but

1628
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:29,020
that's one of the things that I like to

1629
01:14:34,590 --> 01:14:31,090
look into you know and I have done you

1630
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:34,600
know I have some some you know interest

1631
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:35,770
in other things like you know

1632
01:14:41,550 --> 01:14:38,850
researching alchemy you know I did

1633
01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:41,560
research into what alchemy was and

1634
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:43,030
whether they really could make gold

1635
01:14:46,650 --> 01:14:44,620
which is kind of a silly thing maybe I

1636
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:46,660
guess because it's a thought well that's

1637
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:49,900
just you know you know just more

1638
01:14:54,150 --> 01:14:51,550
spiritual that was what they thought of

1639
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:54,160
as a spiritual thing but um well I think

1640
01:14:59,460 --> 01:14:56,170
they just have to add like a couple of

1641
01:15:02,250 --> 01:14:59,470
electrons or something to lead possibly

1642
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:02,260
something like that well I think what

1643
01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:04,210
they were trying to do is just when you

1644
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:05,860
take down anything if you can take it

1645
01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:07,570
down to the base level and then you can

1646
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:09,640
remake it into what you want so in other

1647
01:15:14,610 --> 01:15:12,730
words what we can do now with the Hadron

1648
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,620
Collider and we can smash atoms into

1649
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:17,440
pieces you know and I actually found out

1650
01:15:23,210 --> 01:15:21,550
that the byproduct of the smashing atoms

1651
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:23,220
that they do in the Hadron Collider

1652
01:15:29,940 --> 01:15:28,480
actually makes radioactive gold so so

1653
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,950
they really can make gold but you don't

1654
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:31,840
really want to touch it yeah that's

1655
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:34,090
right that's right for two hundred

1656
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:34,930
thousand years

1657
01:15:39,810 --> 01:15:37,150
all right so thanks so much I do

1658
01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:39,820
appreciate it and I'm so sorry that you

1659
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:41,320
know we're going to have to you know

1660
01:15:45,690 --> 01:15:43,690
it's just the storm we're having here

1661
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:45,700
we're just gonna have to we're just

1662
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:47,410
gonna have to shut it down but thanks so

1663
01:15:55,790 --> 01:15:51,730
much okay all right all right everybody

1664
01:16:00,690 --> 01:15:55,800
okay now you take care now thank you

1665
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:00,700
all right everyone so that is that is it

1666
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:05,230
for our show and I do apologize just

1667
01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:07,210
unforseen and I know it's you know the

1668
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:10,510
heavy snowstorm we have here and I can't

1669
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:11,500
wait to get out of the snow and

1670
01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:13,270
hopefully I'm gonna I'll shovel my

1671
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:14,860
entire I have a just really long

1672
01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:17,530
driveway and I will shovel it if I have

1673
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:19,240
to to get out of here for a Saturday to

1674
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:22,450
make it over to Phoenix which I can't

1675
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:27,970
wait to go to so we will be we will be

1676
01:16:41,810 --> 01:16:37,750
there and the show will be early so hang

1677
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:41,820
on just one minute I have to get my

1678
01:16:54,140 --> 01:16:44,230
producer back on the line here to help

1679
01:17:00,060 --> 01:16:54,150
me close out and just hang on so anyway

1680
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:00,070
we will be back from next week at not

1681
01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:04,960
our regular time at at six to eight

1682
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:07,780
and that's Eastern Standard Time so look

1683
01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:10,330
for us there the YouTube video is

1684
01:17:16,050 --> 01:17:13,720
already up and so thanks very much

1685
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:16,060
everyone again we'll be back next week

1686
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:18,070
and remember to keep your oh wait a

1687
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:19,630
minute before I go I want to thank a few

1688
01:17:29,190 --> 01:17:23,380
people first of all Alejandro Rojas for

1689
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:29,200
the UFO updates and hang on just one

1690
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:36,580
second we have Peggy shining who helps

1691
01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:38,920
with our Facebook page remember to Like

1692
01:17:43,410 --> 01:17:41,200
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1693
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:43,420
have over 20,000 people there that

1694
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,170
interact so check that out and I also

1695
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:48,880
want to thank Evan for producing the

1696
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:50,110
show he tried to do a really good job

1697
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:51,370
tonight it's been tough it's been a

1698
01:17:55,170 --> 01:17:52,900
challenge with the internet again and

1699
01:17:56,910 --> 01:17:55,180
again I'm so sorry

1700
01:17:59,700 --> 01:17:56,920
and thank you for your help if you're

1701
01:18:01,800 --> 01:17:59,710
supporting the show I really appreciate

1702
01:18:04,260 --> 01:18:01,810
that and I could not do that without you

1703
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:04,270
and I could not do this show without the

1704
01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:06,190
listeners and I always appreciate them

1705
01:18:13,860 --> 01:18:08,350
and remember you can listen to the whole

1706
01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:13,870
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1707
01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:16,120
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1709
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1715
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:34,180
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